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When I had to smog my GC last year, it barely passed (California). The guy said it looked a lot like what they were seeing in the VW diesels. Looks like he was right...
 

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I have feeling FCA will come out on top here. They did not disclose a software change for approval - but really doubt it contained 'a cheat' like Volkswagen's did! I guess if FCA loses we could pocket a huge settlement for 'loss of value' - etc etc.
 

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If this means some sort of settlement in our favor, I'm all in. It's just sad we might not see new EcoDiesel on the market for a while though if they offer a profitable buy-back...
 

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Buy-back ain't gonna ever happen, folks. FCA is WAY TOO Cheap. We'll all suffer through this for years (in my humble opinion), guaranteed! If anyone spends any $ to modify his/her Jeep GC Diesel, then that'll probably be $ down the drain even if there actually is a cash or buy-back settlement, whenever or if ever that may actually happen. My personal experience with FCA has been terrible. They put the wrong tires on my factory-ordered specially-built 2015 Grand Cherokee Overland diesel with the Off-Road II package, and FCA would not fess up nor would FCA correct the "wrong tire" problem. The Dealer (in Battle Creek, MI) was even worse than useless (dragged their feet forever, which ended up costing me more $ when I had to replace the crappy tires with the ones that I should have been given in the first place). I had to take care of replacing the wrong tires with the correct tires myself. Michelin's own website confirmed that I was right, and Discount Tire also agreed and they accepted a "used tire" (crappy "All Season") trade-in (< 500 miles on them) for a replacement set of the 4 "correct" All Terrain Michelin tires that were originally supposed to have been installed by FCA at the factory before my vehicle was delivered, AND I had to pay Discount Tire an extra $400 to "swap out" the "old/used" "all season" Michelins for the correct Michelin "ALL TERRAIN" tires onto my JGC. In retrospect, I probably should have just gone with a set of Goodyear Duratrac tires, like the ones that I have been running on my 2004 Chevy Tahoe Z71 for the past 2 years during hunting season up in northern Michigan, where they work ABSOLUTELY FANTANSTIC. Oh well, lesson learned. Again, even if FCA turns out to be "culpable" re: the diesel emissions controversy, I really seriously doubt that FCA will agree to compensate diesel owners AT ALL, at least not without a BIG fight, and/or otherwise figuring out a way to seriously screw us all. This is nothing but an extreme BUMMER, no matter how you slice it!
 

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I don't think you will have an issue- media is 'blowing this out of proportion' as usual. I see Ford is finally offing a small diesel in the F150- you might want to check it out too.
 

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Buy-back ain't gonna ever happen, folks. FCA is WAY TOO Cheap.
Irrelevant tire rant notwithstanding, if the government sues FCA in the same way that they sued VW, it really isn't up to FCA what the resolution is. VW had to either buy back (and give $) or repair (and give $) their diesel vehicles that were found to have emission control defeat devices on them. Why would FCA be treated differently?
 

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The main thing with VW that it was 'an intentional cheat' (criminal action). FCA's seems to involve some sort of failure to communicate a software change - not as serious but probably 'fineable' and 'class actionable' due to any loss of value or performance to our vehicles because of it.
 

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Yes- it is worded 'as a cheat'. We can make out pretty well if that is the case- I think VW owners got $5000 cash and vehicles bought back. They do not mention the 17's, though. I guess that might be the other fix is to 'up-date' to whatever the 17's have. I still really like mine- and was thinking about a 18' - or waiting to the next generation comes out.
 

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Just read the entire legal complaint as filed by the EPA. As to be expected, the document is loaded with typical legal-speak and unspecified conclusions. As the owner of a new 2016 GC Summit ecodiesel with 1,544 miles I will continue to watch for updates and hope that the EPA and DOJ will pursue more relaxed guidelines. This is an outstanding vehicle!
 

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Just read the entire legal complaint as filed by the EPA. As to be expected, the document is loaded with typical legal-speak and unspecified conclusions. As the owner of a new 2016 GC Summit ecodiesel with 1,544 miles I will continue to watch for updates and hope that the EPA and DOJ will pursue more relaxed guidelines. This is an outstanding vehicle!
I love my 2014 GC also. But I'm not sure how you can say there are unspecified conclusions. The conclusion in the letter shared above, sent from the EPA to FCA lists 8 specific emission control devices that they feel are consistent with defeat devices (meaning, FCA installed these items in the emission control system and did not tell the EPA that they were in there, or describe their function), which cause the vehicle to emit more NOx than FCA represented the vehicle would. It's definitely worth watching how this progresses (lots can change in the next week also, given the incoming administration's difference of opinion with regard to the EPA.)
 

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I love my 2014 GC also. But I'm not sure how you can say there are unspecified conclusions. The conclusion in the letter shared above, sent from the EPA to FCA lists 8 specific emission control devices that they feel are consistent with defeat devices (meaning, FCA installed these items in the emission control system and did not tell the EPA that they were in there, or describe their function), which cause the vehicle to emit more NOx than FCA represented the vehicle would. It's definitely worth watching how this progresses (lots can change in the next week also, given the incoming administration's difference of opinion with regard to the EPA.)
I agree with you, entirely. I am now very pleased with my '14 JGC. Also, the EPA nominee is totally determined to destroy the EPA. I do not expect this complaint against Jeep, however well-founded, will get anywhere, too bad.
 

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By the time this is all over- 18's will probably be out - which I might go for on an 'enhanced deal'. I'd hang on to your vehicle cause VW owners made out pretty well!
 

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I don't believe the potential fix being discussed in this thread is released yet, as the EPA has not yet certified the 2017 model year engines that have the fixed software in them. I'm fairly positive this would be treated as a recall anyway.
 
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