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Hi, I am going to purchase my first jeep and I like the V8 power. I have not driven the diesel and the 240 HP sounds low. The V8 is not fast but very responsive. I like the idea of a diesel but wondering if you all think I will disappointed with the power.
 

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You simply need to try it out for yourself. Yes it has 240 hp, but you are completely forgetting how much torque diesel engines put out. 425 lb. ft. torque in this case, is substantial. Horsepower sells the cars, but torque wins the race. People love diesel vehicles because the torque allows for some punchy acceleration.
 

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You simply need to try it out for yourself. Yes it has 240 hp, but you are completely forgetting how much torque diesel engines put out. 425 lb. ft. torque in this case, is substantial. Horsepower sells the cars, but torque wins the race. People love diesel vehicles because the torque allows for some punchy acceleration.
Thanks. You are right as I need to drive. Must admit all I know is HP and do not get the difference between it torque. It HP still drives the 0-60 times when I look at stats ??? .. Look forward to giving it a try. BTW .. I grew up in the 60's and don't think I heard torque talk until a few years ago.
 

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Thanks. You are right as I need to drive. Must admit all I know is HP and do not get the difference between it torque. It HP still drives the 0-60 times when I look at stats ??? .. Look forward to giving it a try. BTW .. I grew up in the 60's and don't think I heard torque talk until a few years ago.
No, and especially when it comes to diesel. When you see HP and torque measurements made by a gasoline powered car, most of the time the peak HP numbers are being produced at a very high RPM like 5500 or higher. So unless you're constantly driving like a bat out of hell, you're never really coming near those RPM's most of the time. What people don't realize is that if a car produces a lot of torque in the low end of the RPM spectrum like in 1st and 2nd gear, that's what really makes a car pull hard from a stop or rolling stop. So in the case of diesel cars that redline at 5000 rpm's or so, they produce a ton of torque in the low end.

That thing I said earlier about torque winning the race is supposedly said by Enzo Ferrari. Dude knew a thing or two about cars. If you grew up in the 60's and liked cars as a kid you would've heard plenty about torque. Muscle cars back then were pretty famous for producing the same amount, and many times MORE torque than hp. My Buick GS 455 was "rated" at 350hp, and 510lb torque. The torque in that engine made the car a rocket ship in its day and crush all of the other engines out there, to include the famous Hemi engines. In reality, Buick underrated the engine and when it got on a dyno it measured more like 420 hp and 510+ torque, but that's another story.
 

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Also bear in mind that due to current US federal restrictions, these engines are being purposely bogged down with filters that reduce MPG and power. Many people are taking these filters off in order to increase reliability, mpg's, and power. You can easily see a 70 hp/ 50 torque gain from a simple retune
 

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Hi, I am going to purchase my first jeep and I like the V8 power. I have not driven the diesel and the 240 HP sounds low. The V8 is not fast but very responsive. I like the idea of a diesel but wondering if you all think I will disappointed with the power.
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No, and especially when it comes to diesel. When you see HP and torque measurements made by a gasoline powered car, most of the time the peak HP numbers are being produced at a very high RPM like 5500 or higher. So unless you're constantly driving like a bat out of hell, you're never really coming near those RPM's most of the time. What people don't realize is that if a car produces a lot of torque in the low end of the RPM spectrum like in 1st and 2nd gear, that's what really makes a car pull hard from a stop or rolling stop. So in the case of diesel cars that redline at 5000 rpm's or so, they produce a ton of torque in the low end.

That thing I said earlier about torque winning the race is supposedly said by Enzo Ferrari. Dude knew a thing or two about cars. If you grew up in the 60's and liked cars as a kid you would've heard plenty about torque. Muscle cars back then were pretty famous for producing the same amount, and many times MORE torque than hp. My Buick GS 455 was "rated" at 350hp, and 510lb torque. The torque in that engine made the car a rocket ship in its day and crush all of the other engines out there, to include the famous Hemi engines. In reality, Buick underrated the engine and when it got on a dyno it measured more like 420 hp and 510+ torque, but that's another story.
 

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No, and especially when it comes to diesel. When you see HP and torque measurements made by a gasoline powered car, most of the time the peak HP numbers are being produced at a very high RPM like 5500 or higher. So unless you're constantly driving like a bat out of hell, you're never really coming near those RPM's most of the time. What people don't realize is that if a car produces a lot of torque in the low end of the RPM spectrum like in 1st and 2nd gear, that's what really makes a car pull hard from a stop or rolling stop. So in the case of diesel cars that redline at 5000 rpm's or so, they produce a ton of torque in the low end.

That thing I said earlier about torque winning the race is supposedly said by Enzo Ferrari. Dude knew a thing or two about cars. If you grew up in the 60's and liked cars as a kid you would've heard plenty about torque. Muscle cars back then were pretty famous for producing the same amount, and many times MORE torque than hp. My Buick GS 455 was "rated" at 350hp, and 510lb torque. The torque in that engine made the car a rocket ship in its day and crush all of the other engines out there, to include the famous Hemi engines. In reality, Buick underrated the engine and when it got on a dyno it measured more like 420 hp and 510+ torque, but that's another story.
Thanks for the info. I drove both today. I liked the V8 sound and it clearly had tons of power. However, when I got on it at about 20 it seemed to be jerky and "sound" before power. The diesel simply appeared strong and maybe more smooth with force ... kind of cool and I like it! Maybe not nuts about the sound at first but for some reason I thought the sound of the V8 might be a bit manufactured compared to sounds of old ... or maybe it just me that is old! So I get serious and find out the 2015 V8's are on the lots and the 2015 diesels are on some unknown manufacturing hold! Buying a 2014 now is like buying a year old car at new car prices. I can find both at invoice less the holdback ... but seems the 2014 should carry a bigger discount (they do have an additional $500).
 

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You can make a V6 sound fairly mean with the right parts...
That's why you'll see people riding around in stock trucks with nothing but exhaust tips and they sound gnarly. The V8's are obviously powerful but one little trick can make it sound a lot more aggressive
 

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So I get serious and find out the 2015 V8's are on the lots and the 2015 diesels are on some unknown manufacturing hold!
Rumor has it that the 2015 is a redesign. Gone is the 6cyl 3L and in comes a 4cyl dual turbo. Not sure of all the info on the new drivetrain or any of the overall rumor.
 

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Happy with the power. Coming out of a 2002 Camaro Z28 daily driver. Careful on the highway, the diesel will quickly bury the speedo, (saw 110 and said whoa). Has great brakes though :)
 

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I think the diesel is brilliant for my purposes - daily driver for my wife and tow vehicle for our off-road trailer. I have an Overland with the Off-Road II package and will be adding rock rails, winch, etc. If you're just using on highway and want response, you may not be pleased with the turbo delay. It is really irritating when trying to may a left hand turn in front of oncoming traffic for instance. You don't want to rocket into Trader Vic's parking lot at 50 mph, but you don't want to be T-boned by oncoming traffic either (I exaggerate, but those components are definitely there). After some time behind the wheel and adjustment of your internal biocomputer, it gets better, but the lag will always be there. And it's the same thing with my buddy's Touareg diesel.

I don't think you'r going to get 34 MPG driving from Santa Fe to Taos with the hemi though. ;)
 

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I currently have a 2011 GC Laredo with the 26x package and the hemi. I test drove, and bought, a limited diesel last night. The thing about the hemi is the power is certainly there but I would have to be at 3500-5000 rpm to really feel it. Other than that it felt slower than my girlfriends 2013 escape 1.6 ecoboost. With the diesel, the power was always there, and I found myself having to let off the accelerator pedal because I would end up going 15 over the speed limit. All that low end torque really gets you moving. Let's face it, if you go with the hemi, you won't have that engine live within the 3500-5000 rpm range.
 

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I miss the sound of my hemi, but that's about it. I love the EcoDiesel but if you like having a sound to your vehicle, you're not going to be thrilled. They designed these to be quiet and I have been systematically doing everything I can to get more sound out of mine. (Removed sound deadening material, installed exhaust, installed intake system.)

The lag when pulling across traffic is something to be aware, but selecting sport mode or a modest brake boosting before take off remedies that concern nicely.
 
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